El Paso | 1974-10-17 | Grateful Dead

View NotesPatch info:
- source #99031 (Black Maxell UDII reel tape)
- s1t15; 08:53 - end
- sbt16; all
- s2t01; 0:00 - 1:26
- s2t08; 0:28 - 0:37
- source; #16189 (MultiTrack Master Reel)
- s2t11; all
- s2t12; all
- s2t13; all

Notes:
- tape pauses cross faded
- minor snack, crackle & pops were cleaned up throughout both sets
- I Know You Rider is not cut
- Big River has a 0:01 drop out @ 2:59 that is on the Master Reel
- this source is Philcentric
- technical difficulty time = grateful dead standard time.  Weir.
- Phil & Ned during set break
- U.S. Blues (SBD) cuts in

Transferrer: Matt Smith and Jamie Waddell

2:42:51

SBD

Rating:

9.33 / 3 ratings

Transferrer:

Matt Smith and Jamie Waddell

SHNID:

gd1974-10-17.sbd.smith.gems.99032.flac24

Source:

SBD > 16track> 2track for Jerry >? >

Lineage:

Black Maxell UDII reel tape @ 3 3/4 ips.>Akai GX 636>Apogee Mini Me(24/96)>Apogee mini DAC(monitoring/mastering)>Lynx One soundcard>Wavelab 5.0>DVD, DVD-Audio 2496>DVD-A Explorer>Wavelab 6.1>GEMS Edit Station Weiss Saracon for POWr3 Dither 24bit/96 kHz, TradersLilHelper for FLAC 8

Taper Notes:

View NotesEdit notes: These reels have been mastered for better tonal balance.  Phil's bass was the center point of this multi track mix down.  It was a tad too much to begin.  A different feel than the standard vault reel master reel. The highs originally were VERY buried and or decayed and i returned them to a better position in the mix, albeit still a tad distant.  This edit was in the works for a couple of months.  Lots of our ears LListened as we came to the best balance for the edit. I'm sure you will enjoy.- j.w.

Matt said...  "I think people will love the 10-17-74. I would put the lineage as 16track>2track for Jerry>?>R(WB@3 3/4 ips.)>DVD/CD.  These 10/74 reel copies made by Will back in 1979 were most likely 'work tapes' used by Jerry for production work for the "GD Movie".  all the following shows are complete including all the 'seastones' sets so more cool things on the way.  Yes, i know there have been multiple versions of these shows but IMHO, these are unique versions that were Jerry's own copies that were dubbed from by Will.  Basically these versions were never copied by anyone in will's circle since everyone already had them via rob bertrando and no one at the time bothered to investigate them.  Remember, this was 1979 and the GD were still a great behemoth of a touring machine so everyone was more concerned with taping new shows.  There is no cassette gen with these as they were straight reel copies that i know for sure so these 24 bit versions esp. are really nice.  Whether Jerry had a master of a 2 track mixdown or a copy will never be known for sure but these really do sound fantastic regardless.  Much more of a "being there" feeling IMHO..  ENJOY!! ....Stuff from the debbie stash is hard to explain at times and nailing down exact lineages is even harder.  either way they all sound fantastic!!!  It was the kind of deal where Will suddenly found out about all these reels/cassettes that Jerry "left" there so he copied as much as he could w/o any concern of the exact source.  There were TONS of stuff everywhere strewn all over the house.."

a **GEMS** Production  www.shnflac.net   May 2009

-Complete Seastones
-listen for a fan scream for mexicali before they play a note of it
-Last two minutes of rider patched with alternate aud
-Huge Thanks to Matt Smith for the Transfer work and Deadication.
-big Thanks To Todd Evans for Project GEMS...

Transferrer: Matt Smith and Jamie Waddell

Matt Smith and Jamie Waddell

SHNID:

gd1974-10-17.sbd.smith.gems.99031.flac16

Source:

SBD > 16track> 2track for Jerry >? >

Lineage:

Black Maxell UDII reel tape @ 3 3/4 ips.>Akai GX 636>Apogee Mini Me(24/96)>Apogee mini DAC(monitoring/mastering)>Lynx One soundcard>Wavelab 5.0>DVD, DVD-Audio 2496>DVD-A Explorer>Wavelab 6.1>GEMS Edit Station Weiss Saracon for SRC POWr3 Dither 16bit/44.1 kHz, TradersLilHelper for FLAC 8

Taper Notes:

View NotesEdit notes: These reels have been mastered for better tonal balance.  Phil's bass was the center point of this multi track mix down.  It was a tad too much to begin.  A different feel than the standard vault reel master reel. The highs originally were VERY buried and or decayed and i returned them to a better position in the mix, albeit still a tad distant.  This edit was in the works for a couple of months.  Lots of our ears LListened as we came to the best balance for the edit. I'm sure you will enjoy.- j.w.

Matt said...  "I think people will love the 10-17-74. I would put the lineage as 16track>2track for Jerry>?>R(WB@3 3/4 ips.)>DVD/CD.  These 10/74 reel copies made by Will back in 1979 were most likely 'work tapes' used by Jerry for production work for the "GD Movie".  all the following shows are complete including all the 'seastones' sets so more cool things on the way.  Yes, i know there have been multiple versions of these shows but IMHO, these are unique versions that were Jerry's own copies that were dubbed from by Will.  Basically these versions were never copied by anyone in will's circle since everyone already had them via rob bertrando and no one at the time bothered to investigate them.  Remember, this was 1979 and the GD were still a great behemoth of a touring machine so everyone was more concerned with taping new shows.  There is no cassette gen with these as they were straight reel copies that i know for sure so these 24 bit versions esp. are really nice.  Whether Jerry had a master of a 2 track mixdown or a copy will never be known for sure but these really do sound fantastic regardless.  Much more of a "being there" feeling IMHO..  ENJOY!! ....Stuff from the debbie stash is hard to explain at times and nailing down exact lineages is even harder.  either way they all sound fantastic!!!  It was the kind of deal where Will suddenly found out about all these reels/cassettes that Jerry "left" there so he copied as much as he could w/o any concern of the exact source.  There were TONS of stuff everywhere strewn all over the house.."

a **GEMS** Production  www.shnflac.net   May 2009

-Complete Seastones
-listen for a fan scream for mexicali before they play a note of it
-Last two minutes of rider patched with alternate aud
-Huge Thanks to Matt Smith for the Transfer work and Deadication.
-big Thanks To Todd Evans for Project GEMS...

Source 4 of 8

gd74-10-17.sbd.barbella.16189.sbeok.shnf

Source:

Soundboard

Lineage:

MultiTrack Master Reel > DAT > Sonic Solutions > CD

Taper Notes:

View NotesMultiTrack Master Reel > DAT > Sonic Solutions > CD; see info file for notes; via Steve Barbella, Rich Danyko, Matt Vernon

Transferrer: Carl Royer

gd1974-10-17.sbd.royer.10360.shnf

Source:

MSR>DAT>CDR

Lineage:

CDR>EAC>HD>MKW>SHN>CDR

Taper Notes:

View Notes***Special Note*** If you want this to match up the the cover file included, then you will have to burn Disc 2, Track 7 - 9 onto Disc 3.  It fits, and will match up to the cover file enclosed.  If you really don't care or make your own covers, then go ahead and burn as presented below.  CER

Taper: Louis Falanga

Bob Menke, Charlie Miller, Scott Clugston

SHNID:

gd1974-10-17.176621.sony.ecm250.falanga.menke.miller.clugston.flac2496

Source:

Louis Falanga's Master Audience Cassettes; Sony ECM 250 mic > Sony TC-110 (Maxell UD C120)

Lineage:

Master Cassettes (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Behringer Ultralink Pro MX882 > KORG MR-2000S (DSF 1-bit/5.6MHz) > KORG AudioGate (.wav 24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC2025 > TLH flac2496

Taper Notes:

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Louis Falanga (RIP) for the master cassette recording
- Thanks to Bob Menke for the transfer
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for coordinating this effort
- Thanks to Matt Smith and Jamie Waddell for the soundboard source which supplies the first 0:40 of "Seastones", some crowd and first notes of "He's Gone", as well as a 0:13 patch in "The Other One > Spanish Jam" transition
- Ned Lagin on electric piano and synthesizer for "Seastones"
- "Thanks for being on our movie and thanks for being on our soundtrack too"
- First complete audience source in general circulation (5/2025)
- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his assistance with the pitch correction

Mastered by Scott Clugston
May 2025

Taper: Louis Falanga

Bob Menke, Charlie Miller, Scott Clugston

SHNID:

gd1974-10-17.176620.sony.ecm250.falanga.menke.miller.clugston.flac1648

Source:

Louis Falanga's Master Audience Cassettes; Sony ECM 250 mic > Sony TC-110 (Maxell UD C120)

Lineage:

Master Cassettes (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Behringer Ultralink Pro MX882 > KORG MR-2000S (DSF 1-bit/5.6MHz) > KORG AudioGate (.wav 24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC2025 > TLH flac2496

Taper Notes:

View NotesNotes:
- Thanks to Louis Falanga (RIP) for the master cassette recording
- Thanks to Bob Menke for the transfer
- Thanks to Charlie Miller for coordinating this effort
- Thanks to Matt Smith and Jamie Waddell for the soundboard source which supplies the first 0:40 of "Seastones", some crowd and first notes of "He's Gone", as well as a 0:13 patch in "The Other One > Spanish Jam" transition
- Ned Lagin on electric piano and synthesizer for "Seastones"
- "Thanks for being on our movie and thanks for being on our soundtrack too"
- First complete audience source in general circulation (5/2025)
- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for his assistance with the pitch correction

Mastered by Scott Clugston
May 2025

Transferrer: Matt Smith and SIRMick

1:35:59

Transferrer:

Matt Smith and SIRMick

SHNID:

gd1974-10-17.137630.partial.aud.smith.sirmick.sbeok.flac16

Source:

Partial Set 1 & 2 Source: Room mics * > Master Audience Reel > Reel From The Debbie Stash;

Lineage:

Reel > Technics RS 1506 > Apogee Mini Me > Mini Dac > Wavelab 5 > wav 24/96; Lineage: wav 24/96 > iZotope RX5 Advanced > iZotope Ozone 5 > CD Wave > TLH > flac24; edited and mastered SIRMick

Taper Notes:

View NotesComments:
- That's what it says on the reel *

Notes:
- I put in three small patches using Black Maxell UDII reel tape @ 3 3/4 ips. > Akai GX 636 > Apogee Mini Me (24/96) > Apogee mini DAC   (monitoring/mastering) > Lynx One soundcard > Wavelab 5.0 > seeded by Jamie Waddell, and one using MSR > DAT > CDR seeded by Carl     Royer. None of these patches is longer than a couple of seconds. One is in "Half-Step", one in "El Paso", one in "Rider" and   the   last in   "Stella Blue"
- There is a small burst of static in "Promised Land" which is also present on the sbds that circulate.

Thanks to Matt Smith for providing this source and doing the transfer.

I've never been anywhere remotely close to Winterland but listening to this I feel like I could be sitting there enjoying the show.


edited and mastered
SIRMick
January 2017