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Years
1995
28.8k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.2k174
7d10.2k1.4k
30d28.8k4k
49 shows
340 tapes
1994
8.1k
PlaybackListensHours
48h62589
7d1.2k178
30d8.1k1.2k
85 shows
460 tapes
1993
31.7k
PlaybackListensHours
48h6.3k845
7d2.1k271
30d31.7k4.2k
83 shows
656 tapes
1992
33k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.4k307
7d3.3k423
30d33k4.4k
57 shows
539 tapes
1991
35.9k
PlaybackListensHours
48h5.3k702
7d8k1.1k
30d35.9k4.9k
78 shows
967 tapes
1990
33.8k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.9k379
7d5k657
30d33.8k4.4k
78 shows
1,139 tapes
1989
45.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h3.4k423
7d6.2k784
30d45.3k5.7k
78 shows
1,013 tapes
1988
21k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.3k153
7d3.8k397
30d21k2.4k
82 shows
882 tapes
1987
38.5k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.6k286
7d8.6k808
30d38.5k4.2k
88 shows
1,025 tapes
1986
14.6k
PlaybackListensHours
48h85496
7d1.7k194
30d14.6k1.7k
47 shows
683 tapes
1985
20.2k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.1k244
7d3.4k403
30d20.2k2.4k
73 shows
1,356 tapes
1984
16k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.4k184
7d2.4k306
30d16k2.1k
67 shows
1,075 tapes
1983
32.4k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.4k186
7d3.3k437
30d32.4k4.3k
71 shows
1,069 tapes
1982
40.2k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.9k238
7d3k375
30d40.2k5k
63 shows
753 tapes
1981
54.7k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.4k305
7d4.3k547
30d54.7k6.9k
92 shows
868 tapes
1980
66k
PlaybackListensHours
48h5.9k691
7d6.7k783
30d66k7.7k
91 shows
794 tapes
1979
26.8k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.3k183
7d2.8k384
30d26.8k3.8k
79 shows
600 tapes
1978
57.2k
PlaybackListensHours
48h3.3k436
7d10.1k1.3k
30d57.2k7.8k
87 shows
592 tapes
1977
315.2k
PlaybackListensHours
48h12k1.7k
7d27.3k3.7k
30d315.2k43.7k
64 shows
419 tapes
1976
44.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h5.1k709
7d23.2k3.2k
30d44.3k6k
45 shows
298 tapes
1975
5.2k
PlaybackListensHours
48h89174
7d84593
30d5.2k549
25 shows
63 tapes
1974
95.1k
PlaybackListensHours
48h4.7k582
7d9.8k1.3k
30d95.1k12k
42 shows
324 tapes
1973
76.9k
PlaybackListensHours
48h4.7k608
7d9.3k1.2k
30d76.9k9.8k
75 shows
445 tapes
1972
74.5k
PlaybackListensHours
48h3.8k462
7d6.3k773
30d74.5k9k
88 shows
361 tapes
1971
32.7k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.3k252
7d5.1k562
30d32.7k3.7k
82 shows
356 tapes
1970
32.7k
PlaybackListensHours
48h10.1k1k
7d5.3k543
30d32.7k3.6k
101 shows
376 tapes
1969
22.8k
PlaybackListensHours
48h3.6k622
7d4.2k585
30d22.8k3.3k
112 shows
326 tapes
1968
6.4k
PlaybackListensHours
48h50962
7d1.1k133
30d6.4k804
41 shows
125 tapes
1967
1.4k
PlaybackListensHours
48h13319
7d27837
30d1.4k192
23 shows
55 tapes
1966
7.8k
PlaybackListensHours
48h31322
7d1.1k65
30d7.8k513
32 shows
78 tapes
1965
542
PlaybackListensHours
48h423
7d885
30d54232
2 shows
2 tapes
1985
9/5/85
Crowd/Tuning
1:49
Cold Rain And Snow
6:26
C.C. Rider
8:17
Candyman
8:03
Beat It On Down The Line
4:57
Stagger Lee
5:21
Me And My Uncle>
3:11
Big River
5:52
Peggy-O
5:09
Let It Grow, Set Break
11:48
Scarlet Begonias>
9:14
Fire On The Mountain
9:58
Estimated Prophet>
11:03
Eyes Of The World>
11:01
Drums>
7:32
Space>
5:26
Gimme Some Lovin'>
4:30
Wharf Rat>
8:50
Sugar Magnolia>
5:15
Sunshine Daydream, Encore Break
3:10
Brokedown Palace
5:46
FIN
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Sources
Transferrer: Kevin Tobin
2:38:20
SBD
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.142292.mtx.tobin.flac1644
Source:
<b>flac16;</b> <i>Matrix 2 Source Mix</i> - SBD (shnid = 12180) SBD >> ? > CDR > EAC > SHN; via Howard Weiner, Dan Michael + AUD (shnid = 119572) Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC/Row 2 Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tapes Sony Metallic; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)> Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/48> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/FLAC8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With Tag&Rename By Keo - matrix mixing by Kevin Tobin
Taper Notes:
View NotesSBD + AUD Matrix 2 Source Mix (44/16) --------------------------------------------------------- - Mixed by [email protected] - FLAC conversion 14-JUN-2018 - Trader Little Helper - Tagged 14-JUN-2018 - Tag&Rename --------------------------------------------------------- Brokedown House Production
Transferrer: Kevin Tobin
2:34:32
SBD
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.dts.mtx.tobin.102049.flac16
Source:
DTS-Audio-CD 5.1 Mix; SBD (shn id 12180) SBD >> ? > CDR > EAC > SHN + AUD1 (shn id 79778) Sennheiser 441s (7-9 feet high) > Sony D5 > Maxell MX 90s; Tapers: Justin, Adam & Monica
Transferrer: Kevin Tobin
2:34:32
SBD
Rating:
8.00 / 1 rating
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.sbd.tobin.102034.flac16
Source:
SBD > ?
Lineage:
? > CDR > EAC > SHN
Taper Notes:
View Notespitch correction and patches by Kevin To (update of <a href="http://db.etree.org/shn/12180" rel="nofollow">source ID 12180</a>)
Transferrer: Kevin Tobin
2:34:32
SBD
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.mtx.tobin.102032.flac16
Source:
Matrix 4 Source Mix - SBD (shn id 12180) SBD >> ? > CDR > EAC > SHN + AUD1 (shn id 79778) Sennheiser 441s (7-9 feet high) > Sony D5 > Maxell MX 90s; Tapers: Justin, Adam & Monica
Source 5 of 23
2:33:02
SBD
Rating:
8.20 / 12 ratings
SHNID:
gd85-09-05.sbd.weiner.12180.sbeok.shnf
Source:
SBD >> ? > CDR > EAC > SHN
Taper Notes:
View NotesSBD >> ? > CDR > EAC > SHN; via Howard Weiner, Dan Michael
Taper: Ted Mattes
2:27:14
Taper:
Ted Mattes
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.167116.nak300.mattes.miller.clugston.flac2496
Source:
Ted Mattes' Master Audience Cassettes; Nakamichi 300 mics > Sony D5M
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR7-A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp (24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC 2020 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Ted Mattes for the master cassette recording - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to the Oade's and all the folks responsible for the Schoeps CMC4 MK41 source which supplies an 0:08 patch in the "Big River > Peggy O" transition, the noodle into "Let It Grow" (0:11), as well as a 0:22 patch in "Drums" - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston October 2020
Taper: Ted Mattes
2:27:14
Taper:
Ted Mattes
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.167115.nak300.mattes.miller.clugston.flac1648
Source:
Ted Mattes' Master Audience Cassettes; Nakamichi 300 mics > Sony D5M
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR7-A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp (24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC 2020 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Ted Mattes for the master cassette recording - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to the Oade's and all the folks responsible for the Schoeps CMC4 MK41 source which supplies an 0:08 patch in the "Big River > Peggy O" transition, the noodle into "Let It Grow" (0:11), as well as a 0:22 patch in "Drums" - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston October 2020
Taper: Chris Hecht
2:23:53
Taper:
Chris Hecht
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.163566.neumann.km84i.hecht.miller.clugston.flac2496
Source:
Chris Hecht's Master Audience Cassettes; Neumann KM84i mics > Sony D5M
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp > Adobe Audition CC 2020 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Chris Hecht for the master cassette recording - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to Ted Mattes for the Nakamichi 300 source which supplies some crowd and beginning of "Cold Rain & Snow" (0:52 total), a 0:33 patch in "Me & My Uncle", as well as an 0:08 patch in "Drums" - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston October 2020
Taper: Chris Hecht
2:23:53
Taper:
Chris Hecht
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.163565.neumann.km84i.hecht.miller.clugston.flac1648
Source:
Chris Hecht's Master Audience Cassettes; Neumann KM84i mics > Sony D5M
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp > Adobe Audition CC 2020 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Chris Hecht for the master cassette recording - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to Ted Mattes for the Nakamichi 300 source which supplies some crowd and beginning of "Cold Rain & Snow" (0:52 total), a 0:33 patch in "Me & My Uncle", as well as an 0:08 patch in "Drums" - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston October 2020
Taper: Michael Hessberg
2:21:36
Taper:
Michael Hessberg
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston and Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.148578.senn.me80.hessberg.miller.clugston.flac2496
Source:
Michael Hessberg's Master Audience Cassettes; Sennheiser ME-80 mics > Sony D5M
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp (24/96) > Adobe Audition CC 2019 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Michael Hessberg for the master cassette recording - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to the Oade's and all the folks responsible for the shnid27250 Schoeps CMC4 MK41 source which supplies a 0:24 patch in "Drums" - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston October 2019
Taper: Michael Hessberg
2:21:36
Taper:
Michael Hessberg
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston and Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.148577.senn.me80.hessberg.miller.clugston.flac1648
Source:
Michael Hessberg's Master Audience Cassettes; Sennheiser ME-80 mics > Sony D5M
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp (24/96) > Adobe Audition CC 2019 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Michael Hessberg for the master cassette recording - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to the Oade's and all the folks responsible for the shnid27250 Schoeps CMC4 MK41 source which supplies a 0:24 patch in "Drums" - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston October 2019
Taper: Robert Bryant
1:04:49
Taper:
Robert Bryant
Transferrer:
Charlie Miller and Joe Noel
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A)> Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.8 MHz) > KORG AudioGate 4 > FLAC 24/96; 24 bit to 16 bit with MusicConverter using sox-14-4-2
Taper Notes:
View NotesPatch info (9/5): - source #027680 (Schoeps) - s1t01; all - s1t02; start - 00:48 & - s1t03; 00:15 - end (crowd) - s1t07; 05:22 - end of set Notes: - speed corrected - tape pauses cross faded - tape flip patched - first 40 some odd seconds of CR&S was marred with a heavy hiss - eight count BIODTL - after the tape flip (btw. Stagger Lee & M&MU) the mics sound like they get muffled. Any adjust thereafter made for a terrible hiss. The Oade recording was used, after remastering, to supplement the remainder of the show. * contains first Hey Jude finale - This file set is 16 bit, 24 bit to 16 bit with MusicConverter using sox-14-4-2
Taper: Robert Bryant
1:04:49
Rating:
6.00 / 1 rating
Taper:
Robert Bryant
Transferrer:
Charlie Miller and Joe Noel
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A)> Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.8 MHz) > KORG AudioGate 4 > FLAC 24/96
Taper Notes:
View NotesPatch info (9/5): - source #027680 (Schoeps) - s1t01; all - s1t02; start - 00:48 & - s1t03; 00:15 - end (crowd) - s1t07; 05:22 - end of set Notes: - speed corrected - tape pauses cross faded - tape flip patched - first 40 some odd seconds of CR&S was marred with a heavy hiss - eight count BIODTL - after the tape flip (btw. Stagger Lee & M&MU) the mics sound like they get muffled. Any adjust thereafter made for a terrible hiss. The Oade recording was used, after remastering, to supplement the remainder of the set.
Taper: Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Sean Murtha, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney
2:25:27
Taper:
Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Sean Murtha, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney
Transferrer:
Kyle Holbrook
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.153178.akgc422.davis-holbrook.flac2448
Source:
Microphones: s1: AKG C422 (Cardioid) > AKG S42 XY 90º s2: Beyer m201 (hypercardioid) XY 90º Recorder: Sony TC-D5M Location: last row OTS- 120' from stage; 25 feet ROC This Source: Master AUDCA Maxell MX90 No NR [KH]
Lineage:
Transfer: Nakamichi 582ZX > Sonic AD2k @24/48 > Marantz PMD661|24/48 SD Processing: SD| Audacity | cdwav editor | TLH | FLAC
Taper Notes:
View Notes// tape flip / tape paused between songs # level variation from both PA and Recorder at start & missed about 7 seconds of start ! missed about 10 seconds of start NOTE: The wind is apparent on all of set 2 of this recording. We used factory windscreens and it was not enough to reduce those winds at Red Rocks. The AKG c422 became intermittent due to fast transient distortions from high winds during set 1 and was substituted with the Beyer m201's for set 2. Twelth AKG c422 recording made by the Executive Crew. Dedicated to Kenny Davis RIP
Taper: Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Sean Murtha, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney
2:25:27
Taper:
Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Sean Murtha, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney
Transferrer:
Kyle Holbrook
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.153177.akgc422.davis-holbrook.flac1644
Source:
Microphones: s1: AKG C422 (Cardioid) > AKG S42 XY 90º s2: Beyer m201 (hypercardioid) XY 90º Recorder: Sony TC-D5M Location: last row OTS- 120' from stage; 25 feet ROC This Source: Master AUDCA Maxell MX90 No NR [KH]
Lineage:
Transfer: Nakamichi 582ZX > Sonic AD2k @24/48 > Marantz PMD661|24/48 SD Processing: SD| Audacity | cdwav editor | TLH | FLAC
Taper Notes:
View Notes// tape flip / tape paused between songs # level variation from both PA and Recorder at start & missed about 7 seconds of start ! missed about 10 seconds of start NOTE: The wind is apparent on all of set 2 of this recording. We used factory windscreens and it was not enough to reduce those winds at Red Rocks. The AKG c422 became intermittent due to fast transient distortions from high winds during set 1 and was substituted with the Beyer m201's for set 2. Twelth AKG c422 recording made by the Executive Crew. Dedicated to Kenny Davis RIP
Taper: Mike Darby
2:38:20
Taper:
Mike Darby
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin and Keo
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.142291.pp-aud.darby.tobin.flac1644
Source:
<b>flac16;</b> <i>Patched & Pitch Corrected Audience</i> - (original shnid = 119572) Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC/Row 2 Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tapes Sony Metallic; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)> Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/48> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/FLAC8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With Tag&Rename By Keo - pitch correction and patches by Kevin Tobin
Taper Notes:
View Notes--------------------------------------------------------- Patching during end of Space. Speedwise the audience was a very fast when compared to other recordings - .8 seconds per minute. Brokedown House Production
Taper: Mike Darby
2:38:20
Taper:
Mike Darby
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin and Keo
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.142290.pp-aud.darby.tobin.flac2448
Source:
<b>flac24;</b> <i>Patched & Pitch Corrected Audience</i> - (original shnid = 119572) Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC/Row 2 Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tapes Sony Metallic; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)> Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/48> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/FLAC8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With Tag&Rename By Keo - pitch correction and patches by Kevin Tobin
Taper Notes:
View NotesPatching during end of Space. Speedwise the audience was a very fast when compared to other recordings - .8 seconds per minute. Brokedown House Production
Taper: Mike Darby
2:22:38
Taper:
Mike Darby
Transferrer:
Keo
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.Senn421.Darby.119573.Flac1644
Source:
Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC/Row 2 Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tapes Sony Metallic; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)> Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/48> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/FLAC8); Tracks Renamed/Dithered/Flacked With Korg Aqua To 16/44 By Keo; SBE's Checked/Fixed With Trader's Little Helper; Metadata Tagging With Tag&Rename
Taper Notes:
View NotesComments:A Huge Huge Thanks out to Mr. Darby for recording and sharing his source for this smoking start of this 1985 Red Rocks run of shows!!Another excellent share from the Darby collection of Master Audience recordings!!! AS ALWAYS ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Taper: Mike Darby
2:22:38
Taper:
Mike Darby
Transferrer:
Keo
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.Senn421.Darby.119572.Flac2448
Source:
Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC/Row 2 Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tapes Sony Metallic; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)> Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/48> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/FLAC8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With Tag&Rename By Keo
Taper Notes:
View NotesComments:A Huge Huge Thanks out to Mr. Darby for recording and sharing his source for this smoking start of this 1985 Red Rocks run of shows!!Another excellent share from the Darby collection of Master Audience recordings!!! AS ALWAYS ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Taper: Bob Morris
2:21:28
Taper:
Bob Morris
Transferrer:
Bob Morris
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.nak300.morris.106789.flac16
Source:
Nakamichi CM-300 (CP-4) x2 > Cassette Master (Sony TCD5M/Maxell XLII-S C-90)
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) > Korg MR-1000 (1-bit/5.6MHz) > Audiogate (1-bit/5.6MHz > 16-bit/44.1KHz) > cdwav (edits)
Taper Notes:
View NotesTape flips between: Big River & Peggy-O; Drums & Space. Recorded by Bob Morris -- thanks to Sam for help.
Taper: Adam, Justin & Monica
2:22:29
Rating:
8.00 / 1 rating
Taper:
Adam, Justin & Monica
Transferrer:
Alex Ford
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.senn441.mccue.ford.79778.sbeok.flac16
Source:
MAC: Sennheiser 441s (7-9 feet high) > Sony D5 > Maxell MX 90s
Lineage:
MAC > Nakamichi CD2 [azimuth adjusted] > rca/xlr > Lunatec V3 > coax > Audiophile 2496 > CEP 2.0 >Trade's Little Helper > FLAC16
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - files encoded @ level 6. sector boundaries fixed & verified with trader's little helper. - the encore was placed on disc 01 to fit the show on 2 discs. - cd covers and McCue cassette collection photo are included with this fileset. - d2t06 Drums 4:24-6:23 patched with Master Audience Cassette > DAT > CDR (shn id #11493).
Taper: Oade Brothers
2:36:15
Taper:
Oade Brothers
Transferrer:
Doug Oade and Darrin Sacks
SHNID:
gd1985-09-05.schoeps.oade.sacks.27680.sbeok.flac16
Source:
Oade Master -- 90 X-Y Schoeps CMC441 & 10 ft spaced Schoeps CMC42s -> custom M118 x2 -> custom Oade mixer -> Oade MOD PCM-F1 @ first row behind board
Lineage:
Master PCM > DAW (via SEKD Prodif) > Wav > cdwav > flac
Taper Notes:
View NotesNote: Show can be burned to 2 x 80 minute disks if the Brokedown encore is placed at the end of set 1. Seeded 1/7/05 --
Source 23 of 23
2:29:23
Rating:
8.00 / 4 ratings
SHNID:
gd85-09-05.aud.barbella.11493.sbeok.shnf
Source:
Audience Recording
Lineage:
Master Audience Cassette > DAT > CDR
Taper Notes:
View NotesMaster Audience Cassette > DAT > CDR; via Jack Straw; Seeded to etree by steve barbella