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Years
1995
29.8k
PlaybackListensHours
48h57378
7d2.1k285
30d29.8k4.2k
49 shows
341 tapes
1994
8.7k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.9k244
7d1.8k240
30d8.7k1.2k
85 shows
460 tapes
1993
39.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.4k303
7d9k1.2k
30d39.3k5.2k
83 shows
656 tapes
1992
37k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.5k201
7d4.8k614
30d37k4.9k
57 shows
539 tapes
1991
35k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.9k419
7d11.7k1.6k
30d35k4.8k
78 shows
973 tapes
1990
38.5k
PlaybackListensHours
48h9.1k1.1k
7d9.3k1.2k
30d38.5k5k
78 shows
1,139 tapes
1989
47k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.4k298
7d6.5k807
30d47k5.9k
78 shows
1,017 tapes
1988
21k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.1k128
7d2.7k310
30d21k2.4k
82 shows
882 tapes
1987
33.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.9k220
7d4.7k520
30d33.3k3.6k
88 shows
1,025 tapes
1986
11.7k
PlaybackListensHours
48h72282
7d1.8k197
30d11.7k1.3k
47 shows
684 tapes
1985
21.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.6k185
7d3.7k437
30d21.3k2.5k
73 shows
1,356 tapes
1984
15.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h5.2k608
7d2.6k335
30d15.3k2k
67 shows
1,075 tapes
1983
33.4k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.2k158
7d3k402
30d33.4k4.4k
71 shows
1,069 tapes
1982
41.6k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.1k138
7d3.8k466
30d41.6k5.2k
63 shows
753 tapes
1981
45.9k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.8k224
7d4.5k573
30d45.9k5.8k
92 shows
868 tapes
1980
69.5k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2.7k306
7d14.6k1.6k
30d69.5k8.1k
91 shows
794 tapes
1979
22.9k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.4k205
7d2.9k413
30d22.9k3.2k
79 shows
600 tapes
1978
51.7k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.8k242
7d5.7k756
30d51.7k7.1k
87 shows
592 tapes
1977
285.6k
PlaybackListensHours
48h17.2k2.3k
7d36.3k5.1k
30d285.6k39.4k
64 shows
419 tapes
1976
50.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h11.1k1.5k
7d8.9k1.2k
30d50.3k6.8k
45 shows
298 tapes
1975
6.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h34036
7d1.8k162
30d6.3k644
25 shows
63 tapes
1974
98.8k
PlaybackListensHours
48h4.1k552
7d12.3k1.6k
30d98.8k12.5k
42 shows
324 tapes
1973
79.3k
PlaybackListensHours
48h10k1.3k
7d8.9k1.2k
30d79.3k10.1k
75 shows
445 tapes
1972
68.1k
PlaybackListensHours
48h2k266
7d6.8k827
30d68.1k8.3k
88 shows
361 tapes
1971
33.5k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.7k195
7d4.1k452
30d33.5k3.8k
82 shows
357 tapes
1970
45k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.8k194
7d15.5k1.6k
30d45k4.8k
101 shows
376 tapes
1969
26.5k
PlaybackListensHours
48h1.1k171
7d6.2k1k
30d26.5k4k
112 shows
326 tapes
1968
6.9k
PlaybackListensHours
48h72389
7d1.3k168
30d6.9k870
41 shows
125 tapes
1967
1.5k
PlaybackListensHours
48h9314
7d27740
30d1.5k206
23 shows
55 tapes
1966
7.8k
PlaybackListensHours
48h43727
7d55340
30d7.8k523
32 shows
78 tapes
1965
576
PlaybackListensHours
48h664
7d885
30d57633
2 shows
2 tapes
1985
9/2/85
Tuning/Bertha>
6:54
Greatest Story Ever Told
3:42
West L.A. Fadeaway
7:30
Mama Tried>
3:20
Me And My Uncle
3:13
Stagger Lee>
5:30
Aiko Aiko
5:37
Minglewood Blues
7:28
Ramble On Rose
7:15
Hell In A Bucket/Set Break
6:47
China Cat Sunflower>
4:40
I Know You Rider>
6:49
Man Smart,Woman Smarter>
8:07
Ship Of Fools>
7:26
Playing In The Band>
13:43
Drums>
10:45
Space>
9:02
I Need A Miracle>
5:55
China Doll>
5:22
Around And Around>
3:44
Good Lovin'
7:57
Day Job
4:15
FIN
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Sources
Transferrer: Kevin Tobin
2:31:27
SBD
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.142184.5-1.tobin.flac1648
Source:
<b>flac16/48kHz</b>; <i>5.1 LPCM Surround Sound (48k)</i> - SBD (shnid = 138386) Recording Info: SBD > Cassette Master (TDK MA-R90); Transfer Info: Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.8 MHz) > KORG AudioGate 4 > Adobe Audition CC 2015 > Samplitude Pro X3 Suite > FLAC/24; All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller + AUD (shnid = 117762) Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tape Sony Metallic; Set 2 Master Tape Broke: Sony TC-D5M>B & O 8002,Tape Maxell XLII; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)>Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/28> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/Flac8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With AudioGate Software By Keo - surround mixing by Kevin Tobin
Taper Notes:
View Notes5.1 LPCM Surround Sound Mix (48k) mixed in Adobe Audition CC 2014 --------------------------------------------------------- - Mixed by [email protected] - FLAC conversion 09-JUN-2018 - Trader Little Helper - Tagged 09-JUN-2018 - Tag&Rename --------------------------------------------------------- Brokedown House Production
Transferrer: Kevin Tobin
2:31:30
SBD
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.142182.mtx.tobin.flac1644
Source:
<i>Matrix 2 Source Mix</i> - SBD (shnid = 138386) Recording Info: SBD > Cassette Master (TDK MA-R90); Transfer Info: Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.8 MHz) > KORG AudioGate 4 > Adobe Audition CC 2015 > Samplitude Pro X3 Suite > FLAC/24; All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller + AUD (shnid = 117762) Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tape Sony Metallic; Set 2 Master Tape Broke: Sony TC-D5M>B & O 8002,Tape Maxell XLII; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)>Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/28> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/Flac8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With AudioGate Software By Keo - matrix mixing by Kevin Tobin
Taper Notes:
View NotesSBD + AUD Matrix 2 Source Mix (44/16) --------------------------------------------------------- - Mixed by [email protected] - FLAC conversion 09-JUN-2018 - Trader Little Helper - Tagged 09-JUN-2018 - Tag&Rename --------------------------------------------------------- Brokedown House Production
Transferrer: Kevin Tobin
2:31:27
SBD
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.142181.mtx.tobin.flac2448
Source:
<b>flac24;</b> <i>Matrix 2 Source Mix</i> - SBD (shnid = 138386) Recording Info: SBD > Cassette Master (TDK MA-R90); Transfer Info: Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.8 MHz) > KORG AudioGate 4 > Adobe Audition CC 2015 > Samplitude Pro X3 Suite > FLAC/24; All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller + AUD (shnid = 117762) Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tape Sony Metallic; Set 2 Master Tape Broke: Sony TC-D5M>B & O 8002,Tape Maxell XLII; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)>Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/28> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/Flac8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With AudioGate Software By Keo - matrix mixing by Kevin Tobin
Taper Notes:
View NotesSBD + AUD Matrix 2 Source Mix (48/24) --------------------------------------------------------- - Mixed by [email protected] - FLAC conversion 09-JUN-2018 - Trader Little Helper - Tagged 09-JUN-2018 - Tag&Rename --------------------------------------------------------- Brokedown House Production
Transferrer: Charlie Miller
2:33:02
SBD
Transferrer:
Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.138397.sbd.miller.flac16
Source:
SBD > Cassette Master (TDK MA-R90)
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.8 MHz) >KORG AudioGate 4 > Adobe Audition CC 2015 > Samplitude Pro X3 Suite > FLAC/24
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: -- Thanks to the Oade Brothers for the patch source -- This is 138386 24 bit -> 16 bit
Transferrer: Charlie Miller
2:33:02
SBD
Transferrer:
Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.138386.sbd.miller.flac24
Source:
SBD > Cassette Master (TDK MA-R90)
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi CR-7A) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.8 MHz) >KORG AudioGate 4 > Adobe Audition CC 2015 > Samplitude Pro X3 Suite > FLAC/24
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: -- Thanks to the Oade Brothers for the patch source
Source 6 of 22
2:33:12
SBD
Rating:
8.63 / 17 ratings
SHNID:
gd85-09-02.sbd.hinko.19475.sbeok.shnf
Source:
SBD > MC > C > DAT > CD > EAC > SHN
Taper Notes:
View NotesSBD > MC > C > DAT > CD > EAC > SHN; EAC/SHN by Darryl Hinko
Taper: Bob Wagner
2:30:55
Taper:
Bob Wagner
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.169128.nak700.wagner.miller.clugston.flac2496
Source:
Bob Wagner's Master Audience Cassettes; Nakamichi 700 mics > Sony TC-D5M (Maxell XLII-S90)
Lineage:
Master Cassettes (Nakamichi CR-7A)> Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz) > Tascam Hi-Res Editor (.wav 24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC 2024 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Bob Wagner for the master cassettes - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to the Oade's for the Schoeps CMC4 MK41 source which supplies a 3:35 patch in "Drums" - "Other One" themed space - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston October 2024
Taper: Bob Wagner
2:30:55
Taper:
Bob Wagner
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston, Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.169127.nak700.wagner.miller.clugston.flac1648
Source:
Bob Wagner's Master Audience Cassettes; Nakamichi 700 mics > Sony TC-D5M (Maxell XLII-S90)
Lineage:
Master Cassettes (Nakamichi CR-7A)> Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz) > Tascam Hi-Res Editor (.wav 24-bit/96k) > Adobe Audition CC 2024 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Bob Wagner for the master cassettes - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to the Oade's for the Schoeps CMC4 MK41 source which supplies a 3:35 patch in "Drums" - "Other One" themed space - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston October 2024
Taper: Michael Hessberg
2:27:51
Taper:
Michael Hessberg
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston and Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.154368.senn.me80.hessberg.miller.clugston.flac2496
Source:
Michael Hessberg's Master Audience Cassettes; Sennheiser ME80 mics > Sony D5M
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp (24/96) > Adobe Audition CC 2019 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Michael Hessberg for the master cassette recording - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to the Oade's for the Schoeps CMC4 MK41 source which supplies an 0:27 patch in the "Drums > Space" transition - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston May 2020
Taper: Michael Hessberg
2:27:51
Taper:
Michael Hessberg
Transferrer:
Scott Clugston and Charlie Miller
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.154367.senn.me80.hessberg.miller.clugston.flac1648
Source:
Michael Hessberg's Master Audience Cassettes; Sennheiser ME80 mics > Sony D5M
Lineage:
Cassette Master (Nakamichi DR-1) > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6 MHz)> dBpoweramp (24/96) > Adobe Audition CC 2019 > TLH flac2496
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Thanks to Michael Hessberg for the master cassette recording - Thanks to Charlie Miller for the transfer and coordinating this effort - Thanks to the Oade's for the Schoeps CMC4 MK41 source which supplies an 0:27 patch in the "Drums > Space" transition - Pitch corrected Mastered by Scott Clugston May 2020
Taper: Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney, Olvy Johnson, Mike Yacavone
2:29:25
Taper:
Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney, Olvy Johnson, Mike Yacavone
Transferrer:
Kyle Holbrook
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.153041.beyerm201.holbrook.flac2448
Source:
Microphones: Beyer M201c (Cardioid)XY 90º Recorder: Sony TC-D5M Location: Lawn ~150' from stage This Source: Master AUDCA Maxell MX90 No NR
Lineage:
Transfer: Nakamichi 582ZX > Sonic AD2k @24/48 > Marantz PMD661|24/48 SD Processing: SD| Audacity | cdwav editor | TLH | FLAC
Taper: Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney, Olvy Johnson, Mike Yacavone
2:29:26
Taper:
Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney, Olvy Johnson, Mike Yacavone
Transferrer:
Kyle Holbrook
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.153040.beyerm201.holbrook.flac1644
Source:
Microphones: Beyer M201c (Cardioid)XY 90º Recorder: Sony TC-D5M Location: Lawn ~150' from stage This Source: Master AUDCA Maxell MX90 No NR
Lineage:
Transfer: Nakamichi 582ZX > Sonic AD2k @24/48 > Marantz PMD661|24/48 SD Processing: SD| Audacity | cdwav editor | TLH | FLAC
Taper: Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney, Olvy Johnson, Mike Yacavone
2:28:15
Taper:
Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney, Olvy Johnson, Mike Yacavone
Transferrer:
Kyle Holbrook
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.153039.akgc422.davis-holbrook.flac2448
Source:
Recorder: Sony TC-D5M Location: Lawn ~175' from stage This Source: Master AUDCA Maxell MX90 No NR
Lineage:
Transfer: Nakamichi 582ZX > Sonic AD2k @24/48 > Marantz PMD661|24/48 SD Processing: SD| Audacity | cdwav editor | TLH | FLAC
Taper Notes:
View NotesTenth AKG c422 GD recording made by the Executive Crew. Dedicated to Kenny Davis RIP
Taper: Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney, Olvy Johnson, Mike Yacavone
2:28:18
Taper:
Executive Crew; Mike Davis, Kenny Davis, Kyle Holbrook, Tom Pinney, Olvy Johnson, Mike Yacavone
Transferrer:
Kyle Holbrook
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.153038.akgc422.davis-holbrook.flac1644
Source:
Recorder: Sony TC-D5M Location: Lawn ~175' from stage This Source: Master AUDCA Maxell MX90 No NR
Lineage:
Transfer: Nakamichi 582ZX > Sonic AD2k @24/48 > Marantz PMD661|24/48 SD Processing: SD| Audacity | cdwav editor | TLH | FLAC
Taper Notes:
View NotesTenth AKG c422 GD recording made by the Executive Crew. Dedicated to Kenny Davis RIP
Taper: Mike Darby
2:31:30
Taper:
Mike Darby
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin and Keo
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.142180.pp-aud.darby.tobin.flac1644
Source:
<i>Patched & Pitch Corrected Audience</i> (original shnid = 117762) Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tape Sony Metallic; Set 2 Master Tape Broke: Sony TC-D5M>B & O 8002,Tape Maxell XLII; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)>Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/28> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/Flac8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With AudioGate Software By Keo - pitch correction and patches by Kevin Tobin
Taper Notes:
View NotesPatching during end of Drums and start of Day Job. Speedwise the audience was a very fast when compared to other recordings - 1 second per minute. Brokedown House Production
Taper: Mike Darby
2:31:27
Taper:
Mike Darby
Transferrer:
Kevin Tobin and Keo
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.142179.pp-aud.darby.tobin.flac2448
Source:
<i>Patched & Pitch Corrected Audience</i> (original shnid = 117762) Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tape Sony Metallic; Set 2 Master Tape Broke: Sony TC-D5M>B & O 8002,Tape Maxell XLII; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)>Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/28> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/Flac8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With AudioGate Software By Keo - pitch correction and patches by Kevin Tobin
Taper Notes:
View NotesPatched and pitch corrected audience (48/24) Patching during end of Drums and start of Day Job. Speedwise the audience was a very fast when compared to other recordings - 1 second per minute.
Taper: Mike Darby
2:25:01
Taper:
Mike Darby
Transferrer:
Keo
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.Senn421.Darby.117763.Flac1644
Source:
Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tape Sony Metallic; Set 2 Master Tape Broke: Sony TC-D5M>B & O 8002,Tape Maxell XLII; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)>Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/28> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/Flac8); Tracks Renamed/Dithered/Flacked With Korg Aqua To 16/44 By Keo; SBE's Checked/Fixed With Trader's Little Helper; Metadata Tagging With AudioGate Software By Keo
Taper Notes:
View NotesComments:A huge thanks out to Mr. Darby for recording and sharing his source for this show!Another excellent listen and perfomance from this show and Mr. Darby! As always ENJOY!!!
Taper: Mike Darby
2:25:01
Taper:
Mike Darby
Transferrer:
Keo
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.Senn421.Darby.117762.Flac2448
Source:
Master Audience Recorded By Mr. Darby; Sennheiser MD421's (PAS/DFC Behind Soundboard/6 Feet High)> Sony TC-D5M,Tape Sony Metallic; Set 2 Master Tape Broke: Sony TC-D5M>B & O 8002,Tape Maxell XLII; Transfer Information:Tascam 112 MKII (XLR Out)>Tascam HD-P2 @ 24/28> HDD>Amadeus Pro (Tracking/Fades/Flac8); Tracks Renamed/Metadata Tagging With AudioGate Software By Keo
Taper Notes:
View NotesComments:A huge thanks out to Mr. Darby for recording and sharing his source for this show!Another excellent listen and perfomance from this show and Mr. Darby! As always ENJOY!!!
Taper: Adam, Justin & Monica
2:27:30
Taper:
Adam, Justin & Monica
Transferrer:
Alex Ford
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.senn441.adam-justin-monica.ford.85981.sbeok.flac16
Source:
MAC; (FOB) Sennheiser 441s > Sony D5 > Sony D5 > 2 Maxell MX90s
Lineage:
Master Audience Cassettes > Nakamichi Dragon > Kind Kables RCA/XLR > Lunatec V3 (@ 2496) > coax > Audiophile 2496 > WaveLab 5.0 > WAV @ 2496 > Waves L2 > WAV @ 1644 > CD Wave Editor > TLH > FLAC16.
Taper Notes:
View NotesNotes: - Master Audience Cassettes provided by Mark McCue. - Tape flips from both sets patched with shnid # 26077. - 24 bit files archived. - SBE Free. Files encoded @ level 8. - Transfer, patches/edits, conversion, and seeding by Alex Ford - June 2007.
Source 20 of 22
2:33:04
Rating:
9.00 / 3 ratings
SHNID:
gd85-09-02.schoeps-oade.sacks.26077.sbeok.flacf
Source:
Oade Brothers Recording: Schoeps cmc441 (90deg, 17cm) > Oade M118 > Oade mod SONY PCM-F1
Lineage:
9Master PCM > DAW (via SEKD Prodif) > Wav > cdwav > Flac
Taper Notes:
View Notes<b>flac16</b>; updated lineage: 90 X-Y Schoeps CMC441 & 8ft spaced Schoeps CMC42s -> custom M118 x2 -> custom Oade mixer -> Oade MOD PCM-F1; Transfer: Master PCM > DAW (via SEKD Prodif) > Wav > cdwav > Flac; Oade Brothers Recording, Transferred by Doug Oade, tracked by Darrin Sacks
Source 21 of 22
2:26:25
Rating:
6.00 / 1 rating
SHNID:
gd85-09-02.aud.leeds.17431.sbeok.shnf
Source:
Schoeps CMC34>PCM>DAT>CD-R>?>SHN>MKW>WAVE LAB>MKW>SHN(Seekable)
Taper Notes:
View NotesSchoeps CMC34>PCM>DAT>CD-R>?>SHN>MKW>WAVE LAB>MKW>SHN(Seekable)
Taper: Glenn Steinkamp
2:26:25
Rating:
8.00 / 3 ratings
Taper:
Glenn Steinkamp
Transferrer:
Glenn Steinkamp ?
SHNID:
gd1985-09-02.aud.steinkamp.2373.sbeok.shnf
Source:
? > MC
Lineage:
MC > CD > ?